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Outstanding!!!!!!

Are they getting ready to pour concrete pads either side of that track?

Sharon Evans wrote:Are they getting ready to pour concrete pads either side of that track?

Yes Sharon, next week in session B.

You done did Gooood John.

Roger Hogan wrote:You done did Gooood John.

Hey Rog, you have all the best photos and video of the event. Please let us know when you post them.

The first 5 photos of the first set of pictures shows the Crain, truck trailer and setting up for the lift. The last photo is of my team Lto R is Sam Hauck, John Stover, and Wayne Klatt. These guys can get the job done, as we changed out 5 trucks in 2 days getting things ready for this day, and helped out other teams as well. Great guys!

Were you able to make out your the number John? 88176 maybe? (Aka 11057 after 1956 renumbering)

Jared

Jarad, Chris Trunk says the car number is 11056, hope that helps.

Well I was only off by one. Just a condensed history of this car for anyone not familiar with it. Most of the frameless tank cars have the same history. 11056 was originally numbered UTLX 55347 and built as a standard gauge car with a 6500 gal capicity in February of 1912. The frameless cars started to appear on the narrow gauge probably sometime around 1924. They were placed on 25-ton Andrews trucks from 5900 series stock cars. In 1940 these were replaced with special 4'8" wheelbase 30-ton ASF trucks with the precious mentioned trucks going back to the 5900 series stock cars. In March of 1947 the cars were renumber and 55347 became UTLX 88175. This is the number that is Predominantly visible in the pictures John posted of the car. The cars were later renumbered again in February 1956. This car is 11056 as John posted above. After the refinery burned in 1964 there was no longer a need for these cars and on May 31, 1965 were sold to Floyd W. Reed Co. for scrap. It was probably purchased from the scrap dealer by the individual from which the Friends acquired the car at some point after May 1965. As a note this car was a Class V Van Dyke tank car with class D heaters and weighed in at 33,400lbs.

Jared

Jared Singletary wrote:Well I was only off by one. Just a condensed history of this car for anyone not familiar with it. Most of the frameless tank cars have the same history. 11056 was originally numbered UTLX 55347 and built as a standard gauge car with a 6500 gal capicity in February of 1912. The frameless cars started to appear on the narrow gauge probably sometime around 1924. They were placed on 25-ton Andrews trucks from 5900 series stock cars. In 1940 these were replaced with special 4'8" wheelbase 30-ton ASF trucks with the precious mentioned trucks going back to the 5900 series stock cars. In March of 1947 the cars were renumber and 55347 became UTLX 88175. This is the number that is Predominantly visible in the pictures John posted of the car. The cars were later renumbered again in February 1956. This car is 11056 as John posted above. After the refinery burned in 1964 there was no longer a need for these cars and on May 31, 1965 were sold to Floyd W. Reed Co. for scrap. It was probably purchased from the scrap dealer by the individual from which the Friends acquired the car at some point after May 1965. As a note this car was a Class V Van Dyke tank car with class D heaters and weighed in at 33,400lbs.

Jared

Jared, Do you know when these cars first received their "Gramps" paint?

Rich Murray wrote:
Jared, Do you know when these cars first received their "Gramps" paint?

I do not have a definite date but have seen various claims in the 1939 time frame. There is an Otto Perry photo at the Denver Public Library showing 485 and 483 with an 11 car oil train with several GRAMPS cars in the consist. It is dated June 10, 1942, so by 1942 anyway.

Jared

Jared Singletary wrote:

Rich Murray wrote:
Jared, Do you know when these cars first received their "Gramps" paint?

I do not have a definite date but have seen various claims in the 1939 time frame. There is an Otto Perry photo at the Denver Public Library showing 485 and 483 with an 11 car oil train with several GRAMPS cars in the consist. It is dated June 10, 1942, so by 1942 anyway.

Jared

Thanks Jared. LOL that paint job is almost as old as me. Wish I had held up as well.

Rich, you can see the hand brush strokes of GRAMPS so I would guess they put that paint on THICK!

Jarad, I asked the Forman of the trucking company that did the move of that GRAMPS car how much the tank weighed on the crain's load meter and he said just the tank was between 15,000 and 16,000 lbs. We needed an idea how much because right now we are putting temporary replacement trucks under the two finished tankers so we can tear down the trucks to either reprofile or replace their wheels.

Jared Singletary wrote:Well I was only off by one. Just a condensed history of this car for anyone not familiar with it. Most of the frameless tank cars have the same history. 11056 was originally numbered UTLX 55347 and built as a standard gauge car with a 6500 gal capicity in February of 1912. The frameless cars started to appear on the narrow gauge probably sometime around 1924. They were placed on 25-ton Andrews trucks from 5900 series stock cars. In 1940 these were replaced with special 4'8" wheelbase 30-ton ASF trucks with the precious mentioned trucks going back to the 5900 series stock cars. In March of 1947 the cars were renumber and 55347 became UTLX 88175. This is the number that is Predominantly visible in the pictures John posted of the car. The cars were later renumbered again in February 1956. This car is 11056 as John posted above. After the refinery burned in 1964 there was no longer a need for these cars and on May 31, 1965 were sold to Floyd W. Reed Co. for scrap. It was probably purchased from the scrap dealer by the individual from which the Friends acquired the car at some point after May 1965. As a note this car was a Class V Van Dyke tank car with class D heaters and weighed in at 33,400lbs.

Jared

John Cole wrote:Jarad, I asked the Forman of the trucking company that did the move of that GRAMPS car how much the tank weighed on the crain's load meter and he said just the tank was between 15,000 and 16,000 lbs. We needed an idea how much because right now we are putting temporary replacement trucks under the two finished tankers so we can tear down the trucks to either reprofile or replace their wheels.

Looks like we are literally missing half the car.

Jared

Jared, some of the difference is that weight you quoted is of an operational car. This car is missing its trucks (about 10,000lbs) not to mention couplers, draft gear, and all of the brake hardware and it's pipe and rigging so considering that the number Dave told me makes more sense.